404 jeffery vs 458 win mag

Small world - yes it is indeed sn 1200 - purchased it cheaply so no dramas on that - but will pass it to a gunsmith before it leaves England - big question does it shoot accurately. Mind you, the recipe is a familiar one: 500-grain bullet at 2,150 fps, but with a bit more frontal diameter and yet enough sectional density to penetrate even the honeycombed bone of an elephant skull. This puts it in the same league as the .416 Rigby, Remington and Ruger. Mag. #1. Both of these were chambered in .375 H&H, .416 Rigby, .458 Win and .458 Lott. Ruger added the .416 Ruger in 2009, and that venerable old wildcat, the .416 Taylor, was standardized in 2011. While the Rigby does give a considerable increase in recoil, compared to the .375 H&H, it delivers another 1,000 ft.-lbs. Though it isnt among the most popular cartridges in the safari worldyet it has earned a place of reverence among professional hunters and those in the knowit has received a facelift as of late, with modern loads sending those 400-grain slugs at 2325 fps, for 4,800 ft.-lbs. Well, assuming that the .404 Jeff actually achieved those numbers2600 fps from a 300gr, then my CZ should be a super performer on plains game, launching the 350 TSX at 2750 fps! Any member who have these two caliber bullet`s expanded version pictures available ? Hunting dangerous game requires a cartridge of substantial size, one powerful enough to handle those species that have the potential to turn the tables. Instead of simply maintaining the .410-inch diameter bullet of the .450/400, the .404 Jeffery utilized a .423-inch diameter bullet of 400 grains, at the same muzzle velocity of 2150 fps, generating 4,100 ft.-lbs. I was fortunate to secure, at a very reasonable price, a very late .404. Of course, I am 65 and weigh 280 lbs, but my 58 160 son in law can shoot a box of those rounds in that gun just as well with no ill effects. Its a big bottle-necked, rimless case designed for magnum Mauser bolt-actions. of energy at the muzzle, but the main selling point of the .375 is the versatility. The 3-inch variant has been the most popular with many new double rifles, as well as the Ruger No. The casebeing cut downdidn't have the capacity to get those big bullets moving at the advertised speed. When a client shows up with a double rifle, you know you have an elitist for a customer, much like the guy coming down the charter boat dock at the marina carrying a fly rod, and you approach him with caution. The .458 Winchester Magnum Remember I told you that supplies of ammunition for the British cartridges dried up in the 50s? Modern steel has resulted in a more potent, modern load: a 400-grain bullet at 2,350 fps, putting todays .404 Jeffery in the same league as the .416s. Components are precision machined from billet aluminum and protected with Cerakote. The model PCR is renowned for its out of the box accuracy due to the 5-land barrel, which Remington found too expensive to continue producing in its line range, rather than the usual 4 . Not surprisingly, as it uses heavy bullets with a moderate velocity resulting in a well-controlled expansion and a very good penetration - the time proven recipe of an efficient killer. Theres little doubt that the Barnes TSX would be a superior bullet by quite a margin! Even so, perhaps its the fact that only Hornady provides ammunition; or perhaps the .40-caliber lacks the look of power. The .458 Lott, a wildcat that nicely improved on .458 Win. Beyond that, the .404 magazine rifle is indeed a fine instrument for dangerous game that has proven itself reliable and dignified for a century. To date, weve had a short overview of the following big-bore cartridges, and the machinery that fires them, in comparison to my favorite Big Bore, the .458 Winchester Magnum: .404 Jeffery; .416 Rigby; .500 NE; .458 Lott; .416 Weatherby Magnum; .505 Gibbs; .460 Weatherby Magnum and, last week, the .470 NE. But so is the equal and opposite reaction VERY impressive! Some of them are reserved for the double gunslike the rimmed .500 Nitro Expressand others designed for the repeating rifleslike the .500 Jefferybut my favorite among these is the .505 Gibbs Magnum. Most of the information in circulation regarding suitable cartridges is advertising and hype. Brands include Hornady, Lapua, Nosler, Remington, Silver State Armory, Nammo, Prvi Partizan, Winchester and mixed range fired.. The .458 Winchester was born, claiming to drive a 510-grain bullet at 2,150 fps from the muzzle of the Model 70. Save my name and email to use for future comments. Its lighter chamberings make it easy for recoil-shy shooters to field and makes it ideal for target work, too. In addition if I remember correctly the NRA had an independent test run on the velocities of the 458 Win in 1956 which verified the original 2150fps ballistics with 510 gr bullets with the original 25 bbl. Mine looks like 4.4 on my non digital calipers. Mag. What is it about the .404 Jeffery that revitalizes the passion of about .1% of rifle enthusiasts? Heym offers the rifle in different variants and all variants can be ordered as left-hand version. There are bullets for these cartridges ranging from 300 to 450 grains. Yes, its belt is unnecessary; and yes, the pressure is higher than some shooters like, but in the field, I doubt any animal could ever tell the difference between a Rigby and Remington. A RUGER NO 1 rifle is currently worth an average price of $1,519. The full-length magnum action for the US model, however, is manufactured in the same plant where mine was made (in Czech Republic). Because of the length of the cartridge3.75 inchesit requires a magnum-length receiver. When a client shows up with a .416 Rigby, you know you have someone who has studied and respects the rich history and traditions of the sport of dangerous-game hunting. With all due respect to the classics, I think there are better cartridges out there now that are more suitable and will outperform most of those listed. Compared to the venerable .450-400 3-inch NE, it has a definite advantage in terminal ballistics and an increase in recoil. in Winchester's Model 70 Safari Express is one of the better values in a dangerous game rifle. Ive settled on a score of 60 as minimum for any rifle-cartridge combo to be included in my locker, or even on my wish list! The same fate befell the .450 Nitro; ammo became more rare than hens teeth. There have been many designs over the years. A wildcat based on the .458 Winchester Magnum and necked down to hold .416-inch bullets, the .416 Taylor is a solid design. Good article but maybe a little to focused on older classic rounds. World's most popular community & resource for hunting in Africa since 2007. Capacity: 5 round internal magazine Fire Modes: Single shot (bolt action) The Brno ZKK-600 can be seen in the following: Film. And a 550gr for the .458WM is obtainable from the same source. To this point, only one has achieved that number and, somewhat predictably, that turns out to be the .458 Win Mag (in my CZ 550) with a total score of 74. I am selling because my situation has changed and won't be range shooting in the foreseeable future due to travel. A classic hunting rifle. The premium 300-grainers and the Woodleigh 350-grain bullets in the Norma African PH line of ammo will get the job done. Its recoil, while higher than that of the .375 H&H, is manageable in a well-fitting rifle. In the late 1990s, A-Square joined SAAMI, and a number of its dangerous-game cartridges became standardized. I am considering a a build for a 404 jeffery and am having a devil of a time getting a definitive answer as to what actions would be ready-candidate for conversion to a 404. Yes, the .45s have more weight and a greater frontal diameter, but the energy figures between the lower .40s and the .45s arent radically different: They both have roughly 1,000 more ft-lb at the muzzle than do the .375s. That 500gr load IS actual from my CZ at SAAMI COL. Then there are a few European firms that traditionally loaded ammo for the nasties of Africa. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. So I'm wondering if these cartridges would give similar results- at least on animals with hides of lesser thickness. .577 Nitro Express compared to a .22 CB. It was a particular favorite of Theodore Roosevelt, who dubbed it his medicine gun for lions. .458 Win Mag rounds (introduced in the 1950s and based off the .375 H&H) compared to a cigarette. OK, so lets get to work on the .500 Jeffery: Theres been a VERY long, and mostly boring, recent discussion on one of the forums about the .500 Jeffery. The Lott also has another really cool feature: Because the .458 Lott is nothing more (and nothing less) than an elongated .458 Winchester case, any .458 Lott rifle can and will shoot factory .458 Winchester Magnum ammunition without issue. Availability of ammo is not a factor in this comparison as most dangerous game cartridges are not ones you will find stocked in most any gun store either. And since the .404 Jeff is a longer bottle-neck case, it burns a larger dose of slower burning power to achieve about 76% of the ballistics of my .458 Win Mag! Want to use it on elk, moose or plains game? / .40-65 Sharps 6.5-284 Norma / 6,5x52 Ital / 6,5x57 Rimmed / 7,21 Firebird 7mm Rigby ,/ .416 / 6,5 / 7mm / 8mm . Actually, all of my uncles have passed on (if not, that would make them fit for entry somewhere in Ripleys at ages of 110 to about 115! I dont think the modern Jeffery loadthe 400-grain bullet at 2350 fpsgives up much to the Rigby, though the higher sectional density of the Rigby bullet might influence a choice, but the greater frontal diameter.423-inch v. .416-inchmight offset that concept. Yes, the .various .450s , .470s, .475 and their clones work great. It reaches 3,250 fps with a 180-grain bullet and a 26-inch barrel. As a handloader, I like the premium 400-grain bulletslike the Woodleigh Hydrostatically Stabilized solidsat around 2,275 fps. These pages are about big-bore RIFLES period! Check out this story from contributor Mike Roux, for an excellent and educational anecdote highlighting the importance of a full quiver of calls. The 404 being .423" would have an edge on sectional density while the .458" would have slightly more frontal area. Couple that with the huge frontal diameter (.505-inch) and youve got an elephant stopper that isnt all that terrible on the shoulder. Those are, for the uninformed, .510 bullets (soft or solid) of 570grs at approximately 2350 fps! battle of the big bores the .458 Win Mag advantagePart 2. Initial loadings essentially duplicated .450/.400 performance, but the rimless .404 case was designed for bolt-actions. Mag. But thats not to cast doubt with faint praise with todays powders and stronger rifles it is quite capable of impressive performance though nothing extraordinary. There are plenty of factory loads, as well as component bullets available for the .416. The .375 Holland & Holland Belted Magnum The Three-Seven-Five is undoubtedly the most popular choice for dangerous game, on any continent, for good reasons. Includes 2.5 packets of ammunition if picked up. Dangerous game demands specialized cartridges with lots of stopping power and that are capable of penetrating thick hides. 38-55 Winchester.375 Ultra Mag..375-.338 Win. Some are more than a century old; some came about in my lifetime. I feel that somewhere in the middle lies the best balance of trajectory, striking power and ease of shootingthose lower .40-caliber cartridges. Nah! The .404 Jeffery, an African workhorse that makes a great choice for dangerous game The .458s Now, we're getting into the realm of the true stopping rifles. Especially someone paying 15-50,000 dollars for a hunt.Anyone who thinks the owners of Remingtons or Weatherby's have no idea what their doing is just a plain ass.Contrary to most elitist preconcieved european notions of those that own expensive items such as double rifles.Thier forfathers, whom most likely aquired their weath from stealing cattle from the nearby locals are a far cry from those today that have WORKED to aquire there wealth and EARNED the right to any article they have aquired.And don't think for one minute that just because a man walks up with a particular rifle that you are more experienced than he. Actual bullet diameter was .423-inch, already established in Europe as the 10.75mm. I have a .458 Lott and 404 Jeff , I would rather download the jeff than the 458 Lott or WM . It delivers Rigby ballistics in a smaller cartridge, albeit at a higher chamber pressure. You really cant ask for any more than that from a dangerous game cartridge. Being a rimmed case, it doesnt translate well to a bolt-action gun, but in a single-shot or double its a true classic. If the placement is not right with either neither will the result be. Any .45-Bore, 10-pound rifle with 3-pound trigger. You have entered an incorrect email address! The 130-grain bullets leave the barrel at 3300 fps, and the 150-grain slugs are moving at just about 3150 fps; the trajectory is similar to the 7mm Rem. Vel. Of the .416s, Id say the Weatherby is the least popular, although as with many of its other cartridges, its fans are fervent. I'm all for different strokes for different folks, but the 29 year old PH is as ignorant as they come and probably doesn't even understand the purpose of a double rifle.The purpose (the elitists that use themyou know, the guys that survive dangerous game) is to allow you to instantly provide a follow up shot without lowering your gun. This is a tough one for me personally, as logic would dictate that the wider availability of the .416 Rigbyincluding the resurgence of the Rigby Big Game riflecoupled with the slight velocity advantage would give it the edge. vs. 3,732 ft-lb), the heavier bullet weight of the .450-400 gives it an advantage in the field. Starting with the elder of the two, the .404 Jeffery came onto the scene in either 1906 or 1907 (this date has been the topic of debate, but my friend Phil Shoemaker has a certified 1907 .404 Jeffery rifle), and was designed to be a rimless variant of the .450/400 Nitro Express, also known as the .400 Jeffery. However, having spent a considerable amount of time with both cartridgesin a few different riflesI will admit that the Rigby recoils harder than does the Jeffery. For me, enough is enough! Thats my view from here and its hard to argue with reality. Reloading Brass. Rigby has recently announced the release of the .416 Rigby No. If I were to choose a bolt-action .45-caliber dangerous game rifle, it would undoubtedly be a .458 Lott. The Boone & Crockett Clubs Generation Next Youth Awards, amid the organizations 31st Big Game Awards, included a remarkable 132 great animals entered. According to the best evidence available, it was released in 1905, and although the .416 got the glory, the .404 did the work. The Jeffery case could be crammed into a .375-length action. Nevertheless, rest assured that the .416 Ruger brings the goods. Want to pursue the heavyweights? Some hunters (like Phil Massaro) also recommend dropping down to a 480 grain bullet with the .458 Win Mag. You take a liking to this guy immediately.. However, Ive become enamored of the .404 Jeffery. Can't argue with the experience of Clayton. of energy, with a larger frontal diameter. My own favorite handloads drive the 400-grain bullets at 2280 fps, mainly because thats where I found the best accuracy; my Heym Express .404 Jeffery will put three shots into 0.75-inch at 100 yards. Here is a quote from Karamojo Bell He wrote about being able to drop an elephant with a light caliber rifle if he shot it in the same place that he would have shot it with a heavy rifle and realised this fully when he saw that elephants shot with a .303 died just as quickly when shot in the same place as a .450/400 double rifle with both triggers wired together, so they went off at the same time. Perhaps it would be great for some PHs who specialize in elephants, but for the rest of us who live in our more restricted real worlds, it would be another excess in hubris that typically ends in frustration and letdown. Looking for previous installments of our "Head to Head" series? JavaScript is disabled. To date, we've had a short overview of the following big-bore cartridges, and the machinery that fires them, in comparison to my favorite Big Bore, the .458 Winchester Magnum: .404 Jeffery; .416 Rigby; .500 NE; .458 Lott; .416 Weatherby Magnum; .505 Gibbs; .460 Weatherby Magnum and, last week, the .470 NE. Rifles chambered in .505 Gibbs and .500 Jeffery include a mercury recoil reducer installed in the stock. Whether you are reloading for handgun, rifle, shotshell or muzzleloading we have what you need. Get the 76th edition of the World's Greatest Gun Book. The .416 Rigby was advertized as driving a 410-grain bullet at 2370 fps, for just over 5,100 ft.-lbs. First, and most obvious, I can load it to its full-house specs for an extremely potent dangerous game cartridge. That said, you cant go wrong with either. But with the exception of that .405 Winchester, any of these cartridges will make you a happy hunter. So, while both of these cartridges have a rather impeccable reputation, which one makes a better choice for the dangerous game hunter? Mag..375 H&H.375 Whelan Imp..378 Weatherby.375-.404 Express.404 Jeffery.405 Winchester.416-.284.416 Taylor.416 Rem. Im going to Alaska in Sept. for bear, and am taking both my .416 Ruger (scoped) and my G&H custom BA in .35 Whelen.. Save my name and email to use for future comments. And, in comparison to the .375s and 9.3mms, the bullet weight (along with correlative energy) of these lower .40s makes a definite difference when it comes to penetration. for 4,020 ft.-lbs. But it does get an ill-proportioned amount of chatter on at least one forum. It's an ancient round that was designed by W.J. It is a cartridge that can use bullets up to 350 grains, and the recoil of the .375 H&H is mild enough that just about anyone can shoot it with a bit of practice. Mag. An undeniable classic, the .416 Rigby was released in 1911. But that's not to cast doubt with faint praise with today's powders and stronger rifles it is quite capable of impressive performance though nothing extraordinary.

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