Bespoken Word is 120 still plenty? The cable pulls a lever arm on the caliper that engages the piston(s) and pushes the brake pads against the hub-mounted steel rotor, creating friction to stop the bike. The large finned pads rattle a little in the caliper. Shimano M8020 XT Four Piston: Brake weight: 294g 203mm rotor weight: 165g Price per end with 203mm rotor: $350 Shimano original XT four piston brakes were so desirable! The calliper is all-new too. Whether its just bad luck, but the Hope rotors were the only ones that went out of true during our testing. The best way to do the comparison is to split it into two sections: be run UK or US style with minimum hassle. Were pleased to say the Codes were nothing short of excellent. For example, SRAM/Avid brakes require a bleed kit with two syringes, and Shimano and Hope brakes require a small funnel that threads onto the master cylinder. Find out more about how we test. teK-- said: Had M820. Hope vs Shimano brake hose nathanm Apr 30, 2020 nathanm Likes Bikes and Dirt Apr 30, 2020 #1 Looking at making my own sm-bh90-sbm brake hose. Manage Settings Nice enough but just dont feel as good as Avids to me. Design and Build. Make sure youre getting the 615s though as the lower numbered Deore brakes are noticeably more numb. Im trying to decide between Shimano Saints and Hope V4s. Freestroke adjuster seems to have little effect. Firstly forget about power. TESTED: Four-Piston Brakes - SRAM Code RSC, Shimano XT M8020 and Hope E4 - Flow Mountain Bike THE BEST WAY TO MAKE YOUR MTB HUB LOUDER!! Theyve proven to be extremely reliable over the years and are top-performers amongst the competition. It's important to keep in mind that each of these different brake sets were ridden and tested with "stock" rotors and pads. Id say my top pick for a trip of that magnitude would be PAUL Klampers. Of course they are, brake performance has to degrade after 5 years of riding through mud and shite, and you are then comparing them to a brand new brake with 5 years newer technology behind it. I think the conclusion to this thread has to be buy whatever you like, all have pros and cons, just dont buy Avid, as they are shiiiiite! Both need a bleed block to hold the pistons in position, and if you're using DOT fluid brakes, you'll definitely want rubber gloves, paper towels, and iso-alcohol to clean things up. Aaron Gwin first brought much of the attention when he began using them and now he's been joined by his Intense Factory Racing teammates. so the review is based on 7 years on Hope v a mooch round on Shimanos? That being said I hate bleeding Avids and my bikes in the shop at the minute as I gave up with trying to do them . OP- do you work for hope or maybe have friends that work there? Andy Mccandish / Immediate Media Pistons: Two Fluid: Mineral oil Weight: 278g (front) Adjustments: Reach (TD). Heres what Cass Gilbert had to say: Its hard to go back to mechanicals after hydros but when I do, its generally Avid BB7s set up with compressionless cable housing. The Hope lever is much longer than the Shimano which could be a positive or negative from your point of view. BIKEPACKING.com is dedicated to exploration by bicycle. The pressure in the line engages pistons in the brake caliper, which pushes the two brake pads against the rotor. England and Wales company registration number 2008885. Power fade over long runs is imperceptible and they are as easy to set up and maintain as it gets. Lack of Swing Link leverage change means delivery of its hefty power is dramatic so be careful while bedding it in. Reliability from the four steel and ceramic cylinder calipers has been flawless, and feel consistent on every set Ive abused even when spending months in the high mountains or on e-bikes. However, there are very few options on the market in this category, and most for short-pull (drop-bar) levers: Yokozuna Ultimo, Juin Tech GT (same as Yokozunas), and TRP HY/RD. Ive got a pair of C2s and two pairs of Minis that are still going strong. Whilst the shimanos dont and also happen to lack the feel that I get through the hopes. Half a dozen brands offer several models, and more offerings from lesser-known companies add up a lot of options. Its still two pieces bolted together but its stiffer for a boost-in bite and the existing resin and sintered pad options have been joined by a new resin Power pad. I'll most certainly be putting my Hopes on the Rail when it arrives His_Turdness Active member Nov 12, 2020 41 56 Finland Jan 18, 2021 #5 Posted: Jun 8, 2012 at 3:44 Quote: just thought i'd add to this.. bit late i know. Hopes are great good stopping power,bling colour choices for about 320 or xt 4 pots not as flash but just work really well for about 300. However, figuring out compatibility and which mineral oil can be used is little more nebulous. Shimano claim 20% more grunt than a two-piston XT, but it felt like more! The rebadged SLX lever means reach adjust is tooled not dialed, but still gets Servo Wave power assistance and dodges Free Stroke issues found on other brakes. If you want more raw power, as well as modulation, I suggest you check out the new Magura brakes. You can also get 100% pure mineral oil in most pharmacies, and baby oil is mineral oil-based, but may contain fragrances or other additives. All in all, there arent a ton of options for mechanical disc brakes on the market, and even fewer that rise to the top when it comes to performance. Theyre one of my top choices for big multi-month trips. I like Shimano brakes and am now putting them on all of my bikes that get hard use. Im honestly a little torn when it comes to picking an overall favorite type of brakes for bikepacking. Bespoken Word positive bike vibes emanating from Tuscany, Watch Atherton Racing's Jim Monro slaying Coronet Peak in New Zealand, Pro bike Cameron Masons 2023 British Nationals winning Specialized S-Works Crux, Bespoken Word small changes, big differences, Test your mettle with five of the toughest mountain bike races from around the world, Mathieu van der Poel and Wout van Aert take centre stage this weekend in a Cyclocross World Championship showdown. Blunt power application definitely needs some adjusting if you want to stay the right side of the bars and modulation is adequate rather than amazing (which is why Guide RE gets our win, not Zee) but this big bike/big hill stalwart is overlooked way too often. (Image credit: Shimano) There are various differences between the two sets of rotors, the most noticeable of which is that the cooling fins are smaller in size on the XTR rotors and leave. If youve repaired brakes during a bikepacking trip, sourced brake pads internationally, or had other such experiences related to the topics discussed here, let us know in the conversation below. And for me, Shimanos win on all three of those metrics. 70.00 + 5.00 Postage. How they deliver that power is quite different though. Replacement cables can easily be carried by stashing them inside your bike tubing, or, since theyre generally the same cables used for most rim brakes, they can be found in virtually any bike shop around the world. Find details on the three most recent issues below, join the Bikepacking Collective to get it in the mail (anywhere in the world), or click here to find a collection of selected stories in digital format. We love the feel and operation of the chunky adjusters. Singletrack uses affiliate services calledSkimlinksandwhich means we may earn revenue if you buy a product after clicking a link to a retailer on our site. Just like the XT's and Code RSC's, the DH-R EVO's perform exceedingly well if not better in certain aspects. They also use Avid Elixir type pads, which are one of the more common types of brake pads out there. Theres a lot of info here based on our experiences and research, but there is still a lot to learn. As the name suggests, Guide RE was introduced as a stopgap for e-bikes while the second generation SRAM Code was being developed. Your just ANTI Hope ! But.weigh quite a bit, feel a wee bit wooden and suffer from brake fade sooner than id like (on 203mm!). However I accept that others will prefer the feel of the Shimanos as this is subjective personal preference. On the other hand, there are many other reputable options out there such as Hope, Clarks, Magura and Hayes, each of which delivers impressive and trustworthy performance. Not ridden Hopes for long enough to form an opinion. The special edition 10th issue of The Bikepacking Journal is one you wont want to miss! Avid Elixir (like every other Avid brake Ive ever owned) are not very good. Id say the Hope have enough effective adjustment that you can get them to feel just as (or very close to) immediate as the Shimano. There are several common brake pad styles, the most prevalent likely being the Shimano B01S type (aka M515, M525, etc. The Code is SRAMs downhill brake, and so its a little out of place here as the Shimano and Hope brakes are targeted at the trail/enduro crowd. Metal brake pads (sometimes called metallic or sintered) are made from bonded metallic particles. I have put an XT on the rear of the hardtail and its nice, loads of power etc but it doesnt have the progression and feel of the Avids. Your inane ramblings are brilliant. DOT3 isnt the same as DOT5.1, which is whats used in SRAM/Avid and Hope brakes. Do you work for SHIMANO ? The first thing you will notice is Hope has opted for a four piston design for the caliper rather than the usual two pistons that most stock road brake calipers use. It's very rare that we give a full product five our of five stars, but Hope's latest enduro brake is fully deserving of such a score. But, they are pretty expensive (have you seen how much rotors cost!). They have a solid, precise click to them that reeks of good built quality. More exotic rotors might also require a matching set of pads. The M8020 brakes look just like Shimanos Saint downhill brakes. It bites better in filthy weather with aftermarket sintered pads too, although beware using them with softer, cheaper Shimano rotors. Get the standard hose braided is a pain in the ass to work with. We've featured several of their brakes and they've been steadily building their presence on the World Cup Circuit. (Eg a cheaper alternative to XTR), Shimano Cons: Adjustability, Feel All rights reserved. Contact point adjustment seems to work much better than earlier versions of the Guide or Code brakes. Gave up on the brakes, but by crikey theyre pretty. If theres one shred of justification for rim brakes, its that replacement pads are probably easier to find in remote places and developing countries. For Front or Rear. Just like almost every brand they have tiers. Or is downcountry the dubstep of MTB? Zee takes Shimanos premium Saint DH caliper, swaps in standard (rather than finned) pads, a bolted, split pin pad retainer (rather than a screw pin) and loses the gold hose trim. Own both, would agree with nearly all that. Power and Performance IME sintered pads have less bite than organic ones at low speed. Shimano rotors will operate properly with Hope brakes when the following criteria are met: The diameter of the rotors should match the one supported by the brakes. To make sure he rarely sleeps and to fund his custom tandem habit, hes also penned a handful of bike-related books and talks to a GoPro for YouTube, too. I can 1-finger endo with a set of wet rim brakes on my road bike but that doesnt mean I would swap my XT discs for Tiagra rim brakes I love Hope for wheels/headsets, but it seems like even die-hard Hope fans cant really come up with reasons why Hope brakes are worth considering. Anyone going from Hope to Shimano like me will find the Shimanos a bit grabby with not a huge amount of feedback with which to judge the lock up point. Generally speaking, the larger the rotors, the more stopping power. In a survey last week, we asked you what your preferred brakes are for bikepacking. Resin brake pads (also referred to as organic) are made from pressed fibers held together by resin. The reach and bite point adjustability of the Hopes is better than the Shimanos and I personally love the feel of the Hope levers. Pros: Weight, Feel, Outright power on the newer models. Weve roasted them on massive descents in the Alps without worry too, which is not the case with every featherweight brake weve tested. Ive just sold a pair of HOPE TECH M4s on eBay, 4 years old, well used 304 for the pair ! An oversized reservoir means it can handle even the most intensive e-bike descent without cooking and its a positive joy to bleed if you ever need to. Can I adjust them to still have that awesome feel in all other situations AND work not be grabby. Good metal/sintered brake pads can last 1,000+ miles and are easy to replace. Hayes' new Dominion gives a more progressive, lighter feel and some neat touches like sideways caliper adjustment. Those MT-200s are super basic and work as will the Promax upgrade you got. Im not sure that is really very much of an issue. Which is best is just down to personal preference and priorities. In fact, theres practically no difference. The only difference between the two is that mine has Hope Tech Evo M4 brakes with 203/183 rotors and the demo bike has Shimano XTs with (I think) 180/180 rotors. Future Publishing Limited Quay House, The Ambury, Visit our corporate site (opens in new tab). Hope Mono M4 front mtb disc brake. Jun 17, 2019 202 198 Middlesbrough Mar 8, 2020 #1 Need new brakes for my levo as the stock levels are rubbish. Please, It appears you're using an old version of Internet Explorer which is. What did you want they are both excellent get which you want or some marketing blurb Its relatively light for its impressive bite too. I went with Hope as the pros/cons suit my requirements. SRAM Force and Rival are both great performers that have proven to be extremely reliable over the years. Ive got the last model Hope Minis on my bike (the black and silver ones). Which is best is just down to personal preference and priorities. Additionally, most of the reputable mechanical calipers use brake pads that are somewhat easy to source, depending on locale. The floating rotors are also lovely in combination with colour matched Hope hubs. Hope offers a bewildering array of rotors for the V4 - from 140mm to 225mm, floating or fixed, and even different thicknesses, and in about 20 million colours. However, its unclear if the lack of seal protectants have any adverse effects on reliability. You will be redirected once the validation is complete. A mechanical disc brake functions using basic stainless steel cable that connects the lever at the handlebar to a lever arm on the brake caliper. But, much as I like the Hopes (and Hope as a company, cust. Going the other way round I can imagine a Shimano user at first finding the Hopes at first underpowered and a bit dead. For information on Bike Perfect's testing procedures and how our scoring system works, see our how we test page. 60.00 + 4.69 Postage. Not really objective, but interesting never the less. The Hope callipers are 4 pot compared to the Shimano 2 pot so are more of a fiddle to get properly set up and I ended up having 3 goes before they were right, For me the Hopes are clear absolute winners because of their feel in use, build quality, adjustability and looks. Shimano often has one of the lightest feeling throws in the bunch and the Tech 4s feel even lighter and smoother. & that covers every subject about purchasing anything on this godforsaken forum. As a comparison my Nomad has Evo tech M4s 183 / 183 This. MisMatch 1.2 fits Shimano brakes: BL-M9020, BL-M9000, BL-M8000, BL-M7000, BL-M6000 Shimano Shifters and MatchMaker X-equipped SRAM or Avid Brakes: MisMatch 2.0 - DISCONTINUED MisMatch 2.1 - DISCONTINUED MisMatch 2.2fits Shimano shifters with removable I-Spec integration plates: SL-M9000-I, SL-M8000-I * Does NOT fit SL-M7000-I Ive had both and liked them both. The main issues are servicing, parts availability and life. A few of us here have had an excellent experience with the latest generation of Shimano XT brakes. The Tech 3 levers sprout reach and bite point adjusters for balancing feel front to rear and drilled levers boost slippery-conditions grip. More here. If you want to say you use the same brakes as Aaron Gwin and never weigh your bike then TRPs big Quadiems are worth a look. The Level Ultimate is super speedy but the carbon lever and titanium bolt kit help the brakes get towards a super low weight that real weight weenies will value. Plus DOT fluid can be found everywhere vs mineral oil. Having tested every readily available set of mountain bike brakes on the market, in this writer's opinion, SRAM makes the best mountain bike brakes for most riders. Quite like my K18 apart from crap pad life. After that peculiar bike brake renaissance, mechanical discs became the gold standard for bike tourers, and disc brakes have all but replaced rim brakes across all categories of cyclingsave retro-tech aficionados, classic bike enthusiasts, and the budget/mass-market side of the industry. He spent a few years working in bike shops and warehouses before starting writing and testing for bike mags in 1996. Either way, the bite point adjuster dial feels crisper and clickier on G2 and the return feels faster and lighter thanks to improved piston seals at the calliper end. As a general rule, we recommend carrying all the spare brake pads youll need for any given bikepacking trip. When I was researching bike components for my first multi-month tour, I distinctly remember how mechanical disc brakes were considered a risky proposition by a large faction of internet experts at the time. Rides: Pace RC295, Cotic FlareMax, Specialized Chisel, Vielo V+1 gravel bike, Nicolai FS Enduro, Landescape custom gravel tandem, Best cheap MTB pedals 2023 flat and clipless options that won't break the bank, Best winter MTB boots 2023 weatherproof mountain bike boots for winter riding. Having had a set of elixir rs they were ad in many ways, Lever feel If you dont believe the price, then dont worry, neither did we when we first met Clarks M2 a few years ago. Free shipping for many products! Hope RX4+ Road Gravel Brakes Calipers SRAM Shimano - All Colors - Brand New. This is particularly important with the added weight of bags and gear. This website requires Javascript for optimum viewing purposes. Anyone going from Hope to Shimano like me will find the Shimanos a bit grabby with not a huge amount of feedback with which to judge the lock up point. How much that matters considering the differences between cnc and forging I dont know as Im not an engineer. The Ultimates still get cartridge bearing pivots and carbon blades for a silky feel and warm winter fingers. Initially I struggled with the performance of the Hopes, but after sessions with a Psychotherapist, Ive managed to change my way of thinking and along with slowing down my riding, I now believe they are every bit as powerful as my old Shimanos. Hope Tech M4 My second set of Tech M4s. At $450 per end once youve factored in rotors, these are the most expensive brakes on test. Most MTBs can now accept well above 200mm rotors front and rear, with DH and eBikes now commonly using dual 220mm rotors. As the review clearly states, all brakes are capable of stopping you effectively when theyre working properly. Ok-Description-2727 7 mo. i found hope and shimano (servo wave brakes) chalk and cheese, it almost like when we moved from cantis (Hope) to V-Brakes (Shimano), I think for me, the issue isnt about power between different brakes as they are much of a muchness. Feel and parts get Hope. Might help? What is it that sets our sport apart from most of the other sports/hobbies/lifestyles out there? Cannot be used in conjunction with other offers, or when switching memberships), Contact UsPrivacyForum RulesClassifieds RulesLink RemovalNewsletter SettingsAdvertising. fair enough if you are talking about initial price, but i bought my last set of hopes s/h safe in the knowledge that I can get spares easily if they are knackered and will last me 10 years +, and if MTB wasnt all about looks and snobishness wed all be riding canyons and on-ones and santa cruz, yeti etc would be out of business, Thnx Superficial.. Ill give the sintered pads a try. You might be disappointed for sheer power with Hope vs Shimano XT or SLX. Whether the few grams saved on the carbon lever of the RSC is worth having is a moot point but they do feel warmer on fingers in winter and the cartridge bearing upgrade you get on the RSC gives a silky smooth, wobble-free feel. (Im pretty sure their machining is designed to be really obvious, they certainly have the kit and the skill to make more refined parts but the hardware to make small forgings costs megabucks so better to make their weakness a strength, clever). Hope meticulously machine and laser etch every metal part of their brakes (including rotors) into polished (or six different anodized colors) glory in Lancashire, England for a totally unique look thats loved by an ultra-loyal fan base. Click here to login, or start an account if youre not yet a member of the Bikepacking Collective. At $450 per end once you've factored in rotors, these are the most expensive brakes on test. The one caveat is that larger rotors are more likely to get bent or warp. I cant comment from a back-to-back perspective, but all were very capable, if a wee bit grabby (for me anyway, Im never sure why being able to lock the wheels is high up on the list of priorities for people), which I struggled with from time to time on loose/wet surfaces where I had a habit of losing the front end. My biggest peeve with hydros is how difficult they are to move from bike to bike, particularly with modern frames that have thru-routing. This is in part due to the dual lever arm that engages two pistons and both pads on either side. Its kind of the best of both worlds. You just cant beat Shimano for the money. Just look at them theyre seriously glamorous. How they deliver that power is quite different though. We dont have as much time on them, so we cant report on long-term durability, but Lucass experiences with them on the Curve Kevin of Steel and Bombtrack Hook EXT Ti he reviewed were very positive. Feedback from the big first-generation Code caliper at the far end is clear and consistently progressive all the way down the longest descents. Ive always had mixed reliability results from Magura over the years though and failures tend to be terminal rather than tweak-able. Some of our partners may process your data as a part of their legitimate business interest without asking for consent. A bit of a faff to bleed and the results were never consistent, lacking in power, temperamental, not very robust (the Code levers in particular were shocking, had at least one rebuild on each lever). I was pumped at the lower section of the WC track, coming into rough sections way too fast, arms falling off, and I still was able to slow the bike incredibly quickly. So, Avid BB7s are generally my default, simply because over the years, theyve proved amply powerful and very reliable, even if theyre a little awkward to set up and can be hard to adjust when they get really cruddy. Free . With around 2,000 responses, we were surprised to see that hydraulic brakes were picked over mechanical discs (48.2 to 42.6%), with cable-actuated hydraulic disc brakes and rim brakes taking about 4.8 and 4.1% of the vote. Ive had a couple of sets of Juicys, two sets of Codes and a set of Elixir R. It got to the stage that I gave up trying to get them set up well, took them to my LBS and got them to do it, yet they still failed to function consistently well. any comments . Bedding in takes a while (wet weather helps) but power is plentiful when it gets there. Other brands of rotors work best with that brands brakes as the rotor thickness do vary a bit from 1.6mn to 2.0mm. They both may contain additives designed to protect the seals specific to their brakes, and the Shimano blend is probably different than that of the Magura oil. The floating rotors are also lovely in combination with colour matched Hope hubs. Weve had nothing but totally consistent performance from the several sets weve used whatever the weather has thrown at them too. But you will get better modulation, and fewer warranty claims (based on my experience with multiple failed XTR levers and calipers). I`ve always had Avids, never had a problem with Juicys until recently. A big group, Id call that 20 ? Each issue features a collection of inspiring writing and beautiful photography. Hope Tech 4 V4 brakes review Hope ups the power Our rating 4.0 USD $265.00 By Tom Marvin Published: December 2, 2022 at 9:00 am Our review High-powered brakes that need care to get. Plus, find our latest video on the subject. Over two days, we challenged each brake on Hope Technology's computer controlled dynamometer. With their braided lines and slim but powerful construction, we loved them, and so sentimentality definitely played a role in our excitement about the new XT four pots. BikePerfect is part of Future plc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. Junkyard How very dare you its ALL about the looks ! I know hope have moved into the drivetrain department but I would never buy their running gear, for this I would always use SHIMANO. An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. Im quite narrow minded in that respect, I wont use any other peddle engagement only SPD, others are available obviously but I know what I know and wouldnt sway too much from that, its a good review though and well written and if you are in the market and not sure then this is what the forum needs, honest reviews. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. While I was up in Aviemore I thought I would get a ride in, so borrowed Bothy Bikes demo Bronson. The latest lightweight Level and ultra-controlled, e-MTB-proof Code RSC have got the premium specialists covered. It delivers enough power to properly shock you the first few pulls but enough control to make the most of it at a bargain price. The British manufacturer has been making brakes for almost as long as proper mountain bikes have been widely available and this their latest model builds on a long line of superb stoppers to be the best brake they've ever made. Why trust BikePerfect YMMV etc. Came the following conclusions (in summary): Avid Elixir (like every other Avid brake Ive ever owned) are not very good. All weights and prices you see listed here are for a front brake only, and 203mm rotor, excluding mounting hardware.So, without further ado. Several brakes are offered in both standards, but some arent. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Hope mono M4 hydraulic rear disc brake at the best online prices at eBay! Use code HELLO54 when you join us as a print or digital member and your membership will be half price for the first year. Watch Kriss Kyle riding a BMX bowl suspended under a hot air balloon in his spectacular new film, Don't Look Down, Merida has gone full rad on its OneSixty 8000 enduro mountain bike and it rides very well indeed. Our cycling experts have decades of testing experience. Im extremely impressed with these brakes and have found them to be unmatched in the lever feel and modulation department. ancker Posts: 164 Joined: Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:29 pm by ancker on Wed May 15, 2019 4:39 pm The result is eye-straining power (just 1% behind Magura MT5 on the dyno) delivered with utterly reliable repetition in all conditions. 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